[–] nimik 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago

You are correct that many of the recent changes have spurred many Reddit users to find alternative websites. I saw Whoaverse posted and decided to check it out. If you want this to become a true alternative, I would suggest recognizing many of the things that Reddit did wrong to displease the userbase (censorship, vote system modifications, ect..)

As for the money, you could always add advertisements to help cover costs. I honestly don't believe, if placed properly, ads would stop people from joining and being active, especially if you offered a way to remove them (for a price of course). Also wouldn't hurt to have merchandise (tshirts, coffee mugs ect..) with the Whoaverse name/logo on it that users could purchase that would also help cover the costs AND help with exposure for the site.

I am unfortunately not a programmer or I would assist with updating/completing the scripts. I do however have experience with managing websites and being user support (my real job is an account manager for a digital software company), so if you would like to talk or bounce some ideas off me, just let me know.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago

Thank you for your feedback.

I learned a lot from Digg/9Gag/Reddit mistakes and the most important thing is to not make any changes unless people specifically requested them. I can promise that whoaverse will not change anything unless people actually request and vote for those changes.

I have the full rights for the whoaverse mascot (I drew it myself) and so far I only printed 1 t-shirt and some stickers for myself. I am mostly interested in the technical side of things, so if someone else could set up the merchandise and run it - that would be awesome.

What do you think about registering a non-profit foundation? This would make it easier to accept donations and run things. Is the procedure to register such foundation in US difficult/costly?

[–] Themeanbeaver 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago

Really nice to see what you did here. reddit is done, they pretty much sterilized the site of any intelligent discussion. Conde Nast's bullshit ad site is what remains. I will submit here. I for one would gladly donate to you just to have a site without censorship-,especially the rampant censorship of political and socioeconomic discussions on Reddit.Thank You for doing this.

[–] EbonyDelight 13 points -7 points (+6|-13) ago

I agree I hate how all the racist white people where posting completly bias stats.

[–] glengineer 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago

This language - "hate how all the racist white people" - is precisely why sites like Reddit have to limit some things. How is a white guy like me supposed to respond to this? If users on this site only want to punch me in the nose (for being white) then it's going to devolve into the worst of 4chan/9gag and it'll die on the vine. Grow up, EbonyDelight, and talk to me like an adult about your issues.

[–] testpost 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

"EbonyDelight" Obvious troll

[–] Kolossol 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago

Take it out of the power of any moderator give the power to the people create a community-based voting banning system receive so many let's say 10 you get a warning do it again your banned

[–] Falzar 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

So instead of downvote brigades we get ban brigades, eh?

[–] Kolossol 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Just saying that the moderators don't need power to do everything i'm just suggesting perhaps the viewers can make this call in someway

Or... the viewers in some way can suspend the privileges of a moderator (if there is more than 1 per sub)...

I dont know the answer, just suggesting checks and balances of sorts

[–] nimik 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago

You could do a non-profit, but you would have to create a mission statement about what the cause of the non-profit is for. Alternatively, you could register as a LLC, which gives you (and partners and employees) protection from company debts, and allows you to accept donations and make a profit. A non-profit would allow donations to be tax deductible. A LLC would require to pay taxes (assuming profit is made) but it is quite easy to do.

There is a lot of paperwork to file as a non-profit, plus having to prove that you do qualify. A LLC on the other hand, is pretty easy to file and only a few forms to fill out.

Here is some more info about LLC vs Non-Profit: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-nonprofit-organization-llc-746.html

As for the merchandise, there are a few places I know of that can help, but I'll look into it for you and see what I can come up with.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago

LLC sounds doable. I would like to do this in partnership with someone as being the sole owner of such a company freaks me out. Big time :)

[–] ShittyCommentBot 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago

You should just accept bitcoin donations for now. Put a QR somewhere, or make a coinbase "accept money" page

[–] JoyousCacophony 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago

That's actually a great idea. Since Bitcoin is taking off, may as well implement it up front and not wait.

[–] Unicorn 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago

Yeah, having that liability on your shoulders is not worth it. I was thinking of starting my own reddit, and actually bought a domain yesterday until I heard of your website. While reading up on business structures I was worried if I choose sol prop then all the liability is on me, and I definitely do not want that.

[–] drharrison 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

The point of having an LLC is that the liability DOESN'T rest on your shoulders, its transferred to this other entity. Being the sole owner means that you make the final decisions, but if shit goes down, no one can come after YOUR stuff, just the stuff that belongs to the company.

[–] keto4life 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

If you ever implement targeted advertising for subreddits, please, please allow sub moderators to participate in vetting and approving adverts. There is a HUGE potential for abuse and corruption of reddit's current paid-for advertising program. Admins can currently post whatever they want as a targetted ad, supersede all voting and disrupt sub dynamics.

Admins currently use their best judgement to stop abuse of advertising but it's just not enough. (See pregnancy tests on /v/babyloss and rope discounts on /v/suicidewatch!) Mods with sub-specific expertise should be involved to prevent this. Thanks.

[–] drharrison 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

LLC's are super-duper easy to set up. (I recently went through these guys and it was a breeze: http://www.legalzoom.com/) Unless you have a partner that you trust already, its probably not worth it to bring one on. If you go through Legal Zoom, they will send you "stock certificates" when you incorporate. Use these to spread out responsibilities of the company to partners, employees, etc., but keep the ownership to yourself.

[–] G0D 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

You're assuming that the OP needs to register as a legal business entity in the US, which might not be the best option.

[–] Unicorn 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

It is the best option actually, to be able to not get into legal binds, one needs a medium to accept money. a LLC is one of the easier options where the liability is not on the individual who created it. Going the route of non-profit is not the best because the paperwork is a bitch and can be declined if filed improperly which happens a lot.

[–] Casting 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

If you are truly interested in pursuing the non-profit model I would be really interested in helping out. I would love to see something organized like Reddit, but managed like Wikipedia. Seems to have really great potential.

[–] FlavorD 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I would like to help with the merchandising. You truly won't find better pricing, and we know how to ship quickly and cheaply.

FlavorD at google mail

[–] kittypuppet 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago

the most important thing is to not make any changes unless people specifically requested them. I can promise that whoaverse will not change anything unless people actually request and vote for those changes.

Or if you have a change in mind, ask the community and get our opinion on it. Who knows, we could throw some ideas your way and ultimately improve ideas and such.

[–] Eltrion 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago

This comment here is what I'm trusting in. Please don't sell out to a media company or something along those lines without consulting the community first.

(and seeing as the community is mostly made up of the redditors most sensitive to this kind of thing, selling out would probably be a bad move...)

[–] drharrison 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Good ideas. I definitely think donations/merchandise is the way to go. As soon as you have corporate sponsors, they will have an interest in controlling what is placed on the site. If you start to rely on that big Coca-cola check coming in, what happens when they threaten to pull out unless you remove negative posts about them? Heck, they may even go around the admins, and find that its in their best interest to pay a couple of interns to scan whoaverse as a vote-brigade.

[–] Orangutan 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago

That's why I'm here : )

p.s. we need to get whoaverse on the AddThis plugin so users can find content online and then press add this and submit it to whoaverse.

[–] dec8ur 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago

I think that reddits biggest mistake is that while it is powered by its users, it feels undemocratic. Simply allowing users to vote on sitewide changes and the mods for subs will go a long way to making this a viable site in the long run

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago

Agreed. So be it. All changes will require community approval.

[–] dec8ur 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago

the thing of it is you have to make the way that people are able to vote for these things hard to game. like the people who vote have to on the site for a certain amount of time and be active users, that will cut down on vote gaming

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago

Sounds like a good idea. I will think about a way to circumvent vote gaming by new users.

[–] JoyousCacophony 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

It's also a hard idea to implement. 2nd accounts, lurkers deciding to jump in... Hard to stall people that want to immediately participate.

[–] Empire_of_the_mind 4 points 1 points (+5|-4) ago

User voting is overrated. Open discussion about changes is fine - people who care can register their opinion and you can share your reasoning. The right course of action will reveal itself.

[–] until0 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago

Agreed.

[–] live_free 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago

I too agree; and am also from reddit of the same name. The only problem is sometimes there are genuine concerns that may be, well, not well received. An easy example is dox-dropping or other privacy violations.

Funny enough, what we are discovering here, is in some ways what our fore-fathers did upon creating a state. The goal is democracy; that being representation of people. But at the same time mob-rule, or majority rule, are undesirable as the can suppress the will of a minority unfairly. In an effort to combat this a site/government drew up a charter/constitution in which there were unalienable rights.

If we could ever wish to have a truly free, open, and responsive community build upon aggregation we need ground rules. I for one would be in favor of freedom of speech to the extent it does not violate the privacy of others.

Atko: If you are serious about this endeavor, first I want to say thank you, secondly please allow us to donate, and last but not least, open a thread discussing what this charter should be. I.E. What's our constitution?

[–] PrivateJoker 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

You hit the nail on the head with your comparison to creating a state, humanity keeps progressing and the macro and micro issues will always stay the same.

[–] Gormogon 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago

I'm a knee-jerk Redditor. Just show me where to donate. Please stick with it, your site can be the hero that we want, and need.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago

Hi and welcome! There is currently no way to donate (well, I could open up a bitcoin wallet or paypal account) and no need for money (yet). The server that is currently hosting whoaverse should serve a few thousand simultaneous users perfectly fine (please complain if you notice any availability problems). The only place where money is needed would be to scale things up in order to serve more people. Maybe it would be a good idea to start saving up, but I guess some form of legal entity should be formed prior to taking further steps. I am open to suggestions.

[–] Tuna_Railgun 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

You need to either incorporate or form a non profit. From a financial standpoint having it as a non profit would make it easier as you would have more incentive for community support channels and less risk.

[–] raka_defocus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I used rocketlawyer for my last LLC, they set everything up for $150.00 USD

[–] brightfuture 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Ever hear of legalzoom.com? I have it on "high" authority that it's a cheap and easy way to form a corporation.

[–] hithereyoulookswell 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago

I'm new here too after eight years on Reddit. I just want to say that this really reminds me of Reddit a few years ago, i.e. quality content, a manageable and higher quality comments section, and a healthier balance of images to other content.

I also really like 'discuss' rather than 'comment' - a subtle difference, but telling!

P.S. I promise I'll behave and try not to ruin things.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago

Eight years? I have been a redditor for 2 and wow... I feel honored to see such reddit veterans here. Welcome to whoaverse!

[–] hithereyoulookswell 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Heh...I guess I was a veteran (early 2006!), but was never heavily involved. It has been a part of daily life, though. It's just great to have people like you making alternatives, compared to me who just complains! I won't be abandoning reddit - but it's nice to have another community available.

All the best with this. Do let us know if you need donations. I was never into the idea of buying reddit gold, but for a small site like this I'd definitely make a small (I'm a student again, so yes, small!) contribution.

[–] avengingturnip 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago

Redditor for 5 years. I just sent you an e-mail about some subs that were squatted. Thanks for looking into it.

[–] keto4life 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

Another long term vet here. I know exactly where you're coming from. I think part of the problem is that people used to enforce "reddiquette" which was ultimately responsible from preventing knee-jerk "like/dislike" behaviour. The mass Digg migration and explosion of meme culture has damaged the reddit ethos beyond repair. It's now full of karma-whoring teenagers who want more out of the community than they are willing to contribute. Reddit continues to nurture this hive mindset of greed and instant gratification. Look where it got them.

[–] hithereyoulookswell 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Agreed. I don't want to whine too much, as the size of reddit has also made it a huge resource of informal peer learning and information, but...I miss the quieter days.

One big change I noticed which I think is quite symbolic of the changes I saw was when, on a youtube video linked from reddit, the 'I came here from reddit' comments moved from being heavily downvoted/thumbs-downed ('don't tell the masses we exist!') to heavily upvoted/thumbs-upped.

Really...I don't mean to sound elitist! The community changes, and that's OK. But it's great to find this so I can maybe change/move on too!

[–] docidu 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Well, didnt get my 8 year tag yet, but got my 7 on there, and I'm done, they have shown again and again that they do not care about their userbase beyond how it can increase revenue, And I'm done supporting groups that do not respect those that give them power, including government.

I look forward to a potential future here..

[–] hithereyoulookswell 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

I never got my multi-year tabs because I kept switching my accounts when I went through my phases of really wanting my anonymity.

[–] Jet 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago

Hiya! You're doing fantastic work over here. If you ever get the funds to make this website handle new users, I'll probably end up moving here. Reddit's become quite the shithole.

Can I make a feature suggestion while I'm here?

One of the main things people liked about reddit's old system is that they could see the upvote/downvote ratio on comments, just like on posts, using third party plug-ins. I think it would be wonderful if you could implement that feature by default.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago

Hi! Thank you for these kind words. The upvote downvote counts are already implemented and visible (well, only if you check site source), but I could add this ratio next to the points part. Would that work?

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago

Could you please make a screenshot of this page and photoshop in (use ms paint or another tool) example of how you would like the ratio to be shown. Thanks!

[–] Jet 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago

Yes, sure. To MSPaint! Okay, just gotta click something there, move a few things there, whoops that didn't work, Ctrl + Z... Here we go!

http://i.imgur.com/O1L9vDp.png

Obviously, that is very rough... but it's the best I can do with a crappy photo editing software.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago

Awesome, thank you. I will implement this and roll an update in about 5 minutes.

edit: Done. I hope this is what you were aiming for :)

[–] Jet 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago

That's wonderful. Thank you very much!

[–] NinjaKlaus 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago

I don't wish to step on any toes here, I like this feature but think it would look better as (5|0) instead of (5/0). The straighter line makes it look cleaner to my OCD mind. Although I like the function as is as well. Thanks for being here all the same, it's nice to have alternatives!

[–] WILSON 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

I agree, it looked much cleaner and more separated the way RES had it. But hell, I'll take what I can get for now!

[–] lordkabal26 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago

Woo, Points, and without vote fuzzing!

[–] TrustyPatches 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Just seeing comments with 30 upvotes and no downvotes, it... makes me happy.

[–] brightfuture 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I love how you made this change so quickly. It's funny, seeing the comment scores was half the reason I used RES. Who would rather not see the actual vote count? Who wants less information instead of more? Did a single person ever disable that RES feature?

My point is that everyone can get behind this feature, but it was still mysteriously absent from reddit, even after RES exploded in popularity. Now, instead of giving the users what they obviously wanted, even the workarounds have been foiled.

edit: I also put my vote in for (5|0) as opposed to (5/0) for the format.

[–] d8_thc 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago

Advertising. 10/-5 looks worse than +5. :/

[–] alexm0n 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago

I figure if a product is poor it's poor.. and people are going to tell you so. So what if they comment where your product is advertised instead of where it's sold.

[–] ManOfSteel 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago

Has no one downvoted a comment or does it not show downvotes?

[–] Anchy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Users love each other so they dont downvote themselves :p

Yes, downvotes are shown as in for example 2/1 but for now, people are friendly :p

[–] jez 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago

Someone may have pointed it out by now, but the up/down arrow colors don't match the score.

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[–] ShittyCommentBot 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago

woo hoo!!, I get to be here at the beginning!!!

[–] joe6pak 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago

I have a significant bunch of hardware left over from a prior project, and I can arrange low cost colocation. Let me know if interested.

[–] joe6pak 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago

/u/joe-6pak on reddit, also

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Thank you! This is a great offer. I would like to stay clear of hosting on self-maintained hardware because of possible scalability issues. Some sort of cloud solution would be the best option in the long run imho (Azure?). Maybe you could provide a backup service of some sort? We can talk more, drop an email to team@whoaverse.com if you feel like it.

[–] CantankerousMind 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago

Cloud is too expensive. You may as well purchase a new server because you'll be spending the same amount over a few years.

[–] joebillybob 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Atko is a college student, and the only developer of whoaverse. I somehow doubt that he can afford to pay electric costs, internet costs (you still have to pay an ISP!), and thousands of dollars for a server (which would need to be upfront).

So long as he picks a good host, it's definitely the way to go unless/until this site starts getting huge.

[–] exisredditus 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago

See my username for why I am here. Wanted to check things out, plant a flag, and hopefully make this site grow. Not a programmer but am willing to help any way I can. Best of luck!

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Thank you so much and welcome to whoaverse! :)

[–] Reddit_is_dead 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Yep!

[–] PuttItOut 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago

Just took a look at the code base. C#! I like it. I've been a .NETer for ever so just wanted to say good job, I'm impressed.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

The code needs a lot of improvement (specifically dependency injection, unit of work pattern etc) and optimization, but thank you very much!

[–] DocHopper 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago

First of all, you need to give the comments box a different color outline. I can;t ever find it. Second, every time I close my browser and reopen, I have to log back in. It's supposed to "remember me." Third, I can't see a list of my subscribed subs.

For the most part, Reddit was perfect before they started censoring everything and removed the vote visibility. How come this site doesn;t have vote visibility yet? Seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back as they say...

[–] PuttItOut 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago

This is an alpha site from what I know. Small team and working on things.

[–] Anchy 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago

One man team for now i think! So Atko does it all in his free time so yeah.

[–] PrayingMantis 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

I just came here today, and from what I've seen, a lot of things have improved in the past week (going back in posts). I think we, as a new community (yes I know I'm just a noob!) need to be patient as we watch and help things to grow and develop.

Atko seems to be doing the best he can, and from what I've seen, he's doing a great job at it.

[–] gozer 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago

you could make a post like.."help wanted"

I guess there would be some people wiling to help. We need a place to go. And this is up and running.

What kind of help do you need ?

There is a lot of talent around..and this looks like fun project. Just do not go corporate. When big corporations start to influence stuff...digg and reddit happen

And..take it easy...no biggy

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Good idea. I will post a detailed help request asap outlining some of the burning issues that need attention where I could use help.

If I don't go corporate or build a foundation, I am personally responsible for any legal troubles users may cause. I don't want to go to jail :)

[–] Unicorn 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Yeah don't listen to anyone telling you not to create some sort of business out of this. That is the only way to legally protect yourself. These morons are not aware of this and probably don't care if you got into legal trouble at all. I am a cynic but my words bear truth.

[–] JoyousCacophony 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

I would think they're referring more to turning to some mindless corporate monster devoid of any thought that doesn't lead to lining toilet paper with hundred dollar bills rather than creating a corporation. :)

There is certainly a business here as long as it's cultivated and supported. The potential for legal trouble is definitely something that needs to be considered and prepared for. It's just part of the territory, unfortunately.

[–] adhdferret 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago

The whole structure of reddit is breaking down. Most of us have realized that it is just a sham. There is no community in there. The subs mods dont care about anything but control of content and easy workload.

The admin team is the worse. They have no accountability and shadow ban anyone that questions them. And when you ask why no responce. This seems like a viable alternitive honestly. I like the layout myself. I also like the mascot. This could be something great.

One question how do you make a subverse? My family and I collect lego and I didnt see that. Was wondering if we asked you or made one. It says you can make them but I dont see how to.

[–] NinjaKlaus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

On the main page it says something like create your own subverse on the right hand side.

[–] adhdferret 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Hmm I am on my phone so I didnt see it I will look again thanks

[–] NinjaKlaus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

I see, I just saw that on my phone. So if you want it here's a link. I hope that's allowed, I don't have a markup thing to show me how to link it properly.

http://whoaverse.com/subverses/create

[–] adhdferret 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Yeah I had tk switch to desktop view. I made a lego one yay. Now to get people interested. I posted some content. One being a pic of pur collection....some of it. We have heaps. Oh oh guess what I can type alot now and not have that bot chase me...

Alot, alot, aaaaaaaaloooottttttt.

[–] JoyousCacophony 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago

I'm miserable at anything code related and can't be any use there, but if you need any admin help, I'd be more than happy to pitch in.

If this site lives up to it's potential (and throws some new paint on the walls, gets a little more organized), I feel it can certainly become a home for Reddugees.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Thank you! By admin, do you mean moderation of default subverses or administrative work in general? I will take any help which I can get because I simply can not (and do not want to) do everything myself :)

[–] JoyousCacophony 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago

Any of the above.

I've got moderation experience from the other site (nothing monstrous, but a decent amount/sized subs). I also don't mind doing administrative work in general.

[–] EdwardSnowden 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I have some questions/issues:

Why can't mods be added to subreddits? Unless I can't see it, there seems to be no way to add mods to a sub you've made.

Also, the subscribe buttons seem not to work.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

These features are in the works. Please check this list to see what else is not working just yet.

[–] EdwardSnowden 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Oh awesome, thank you.

[–] jd 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago

Oh man, I'm excited.

[–] keto4life 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago

I remember reddit when an upvote meant "This contributes to the community or discussion" instead of "re:re:re: HAHA! LIKE +1 Hilarious Shit."

A downvote used to mean, "This distracts from the purpose of the discussion, offends other members or breaks community rules." These days a downvote means, "I hate you and or your opinion. I disagree."

Clear, unobfuscated votes are invaluable as is their correct interpretation and usage.

Can we force all new members to take a basic enrolment test that demonstrates an understanding of the purpose of voting?

[–] JoyousCacophony 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Can we force all new members to take a basic enrolment test that demonstrates an understanding of the purpose of voting?

Anyone can cheat on a test. It's a matter of how people use the voting system in practice that actually matters.

Unfortunately, I can't see any way to enforce a Adds(productive)/Detracts(counterproductive) mandate to pushing arrows.

[–] Tuna_Railgun 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

As an alienated redditor, the censoring lead to quality issues with whom would bother in certain regards.

As a person with hope, I wish you the best if you truly want to expand. If you are looking for help with direction, crowd sourcing like this and making it an organization based on those principles will certainly prove a blessing.

I'd love to help you, I have applied myself to studying sales over the years, working for myself out of farmers markets, seeing what works and studying people. I'm mostly interested in the reflections other vendors have along with concerns from my customers about our society and direction.

With that said, I'm curious as to how far you are willing to go. You have a very unique opportunity here to capitalize, and you know that. I would like to help you if you are willing, but there is much to discuss. Mostly pertaining towards what type of corporation or organization you want. Regardless, kick starting is available and you already have the viral option to go from an alpha and grow when your ready. Identifying these steps and working towards those ends if crowdsourced could take very little time.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Hi and thanks for reaching out! Please shoot me an email to team@whoaverse.com if you wish to get involved and discuss further details. Any kind of help is welcome.

[–] XxionxX 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

Instead of donations could you make an optional 'purchase server time' button? It's not a donation and you wouldn't have to fight the non-profit issues.

Edit: Sweet site btw.

[–] spasticbadger 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

I've now transferred, much happier.

[–] glengineer 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

I'd like to see, if I can suggest two improvements over reddit:

1) a more effective search capability

2) my pet peeve with reddit: if I see a post that I want to respond to and have not logged in, when I then log in, Reddit moves me to another page and it's not easy to find what I wanted to respond to, 'specially if it's a comment.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

(2) sounds like a great feature, I will add it to my todo list. Advanced feature capabilities are already planned, but the best search results would most likely be produced by incorporating tags, like twitter hashtags because some posts are named "aww", "look at this", "wow" etc and no search algorithm could be clever enough to find the right result unless there is some kind of tagging in place.

[–] Bubbles 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago

another migrant from that unnamed site :) all this place needs now is a variant of RES and we're in business. keep it up

[–] docidu 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Just posted and uppers and downers header mod for whoaverse in /v/whoaverse it's a start, but so is this site, and users and admins growing together in an atmosphere of mutual respect could foster the platform we need at this point.

[–] mollsbot 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Bubbles like from TPB or you just like bubbles? :)

[–] shaun 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

I take it there aren't that many users to begin with...since I was able to get my name as a username haha. I will be using this site a lot more.

[–] raka_defocus 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

whoaverse gold?

On a serious note why not charge a small fee to enable extra features on subs. If I had a pre configured stylesheet and the ability to put my own banner (or ad) on the side bar and header I'd be willing to pay $5 or $10 a month.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Sounds like a great idea. Would people be ok witb subverse admins placing their own ads? That way, community gets something back for being active and using the site.

[–] raka_defocus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

I think as long as there is transparency it would be ok, you could run your own ads for non premium subs and use that revenue for maintenance costs. I think a small investment encourages people to stay active . This place has a ton of potential, and a lot of us are done with reddit. It's the digg exodus all over again for many of the same reasons.

[–] AssuredlyAThrowAway 7 points 0 points (+7|-7) ago

No don't go down the path of letting mods monetize; that has bad news bears written all over it. Think about what /u/cinsere did with /r/trees.

[–] Lovelyn 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Why not use something better then gold like platinum or diamond?

[–] joe_12265 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Can't you just start a kickstarter or similar?

Also, can you leech updates off reddit or is forking the code something that means you can't roll out some of the upgrades reddit makes?

Obviously we don't like the recent removal of vote totals. No idea if people will stay mad long enough to migrate. Guess we'll see. I always thought the power of reddit was that if you don't like something you make a subreddit and change it. But what do you do when there is a sitewide change you don't like? Hmmmm.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

I can't start a kickstarter because I am not US based (I am from Sweden by the way). There is a chance that a LLC is formed in US which could than take care of the money/administrative problems by perhaps starting a kickstarter. There are plans to build some sort of honor badges and points to people who subscribe/support whoaverse financially. We'll see.

[–] crimsonsun99 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Please give us a reddit competitor... As long as you stay in ultimate control and don't get suicided... We need someone to keep a watchful eye over our new home.

[–] RETURN_OF_THE_8BALL 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Few things I have to say. First off, nice layout. The site feels kinda like a Twitter/Reddit hybrid, in terms of colors. I like it.

Secondly, I'm gonna go create a sub or two as well as post some content to hopefully help the site grow. Probably not tonight, but eventually I will.

Lastly, what about ads and a Reddit Gold-esq feature, to help with the money problems? Not sure how hard it'd be to implement, but maybe adding a custom flair (such as a crown that changes color depending on how many months of it they have [1 month = bronze, 2 months = silver, 3 months = gold, 4+ months = platinum/jewel encrusted) next to people's name that has Gold. Simply, just all of the features to everyone but give the people that help pay for server time bonus features (that shouldn't be mandatory features from the start). Best of luck!

[–] docidu 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Atko, reddit is losing many highly skilled users that now have much free time and a grudge that can only be serviced by making something better, you will have many decisions to make very soon, strange days are upon us, the Tyrant is bleeding, what will you be?

Also, I'm really groovin the site so far, but me eyes are bleeding from not having night mode anymore! hahah.. :) Keep up the good work, help will arrive :)

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Thanks! I am in desperate need of help, I slept for about 3 hours last night and I feel huge stress over the direction things seem to be going. I never actually expected anyone to be using whoaverse. I am keeping an open mind and listening to every word community has to say, writing things down and trying to respond to every question but boy is it overwhelming at times :) I do like a good challenge, so I will be working even harder :)

[–] Woden1Eye 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

don't feel any pressure man. do what you can and keep the site up as best as you've got time for, and eventually someone is going to recognize the potential for profit in the reddit mass exodus and throw some money at it. it's gonna be you or someone like you that catches it, so hang in there dude.

the site looks awesome and functions great by the way. I wish I was smart at computer stuff so I could help

[–] alllie 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Many people are very unhappy with the censorship etc on Reddit. I haven't posted anything about whoaverse there because I know you would get a flood. It wouldn't be hard for you to pull 100,000 or even a million. People are so unhappy with Reddit and this is just what we need, Reddit without the censorship and shills. I wish I could help you.

[–] CantankerousMind 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

I have been programming in python for about a year.

I would be happy to lend you a hand if you need it.

Link to the github? My github username is wykleph if you want to add me as a collaborator.

[–] CantankerousMind 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Oh, maybe not. Doesn't look like you are doing anything with python :(

Found the github and whatnot. I'll keep an eye out to see of there is anything I can help on though.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Hi and thanks for offering to help. You could maybe checkout current javascript frontend and see if there is anything you can optimize/improve.

[–] lordkabal26 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Having the features of RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite) built in would be awesome for one. See if you can get in contact with honestbleeps over on reddit he may be willing to work with you (don't quote me, it's just an idea)

Hopefully this can turn into a honest to god replacement for reddit since I don't see them reversing the change that caused the influx of us over to here

[–] Anonymous 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Does this have vote fuzzing like reddit?

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Nope. All points are visible right away. Please don't make any spam bots :)

[–] Anonymous 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Sounds good, thanks for the quick answer!

[–] Edgewalker 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

do a Kickstarter know!

The iron is hot and you're in a great position to do this!

[–] Toby 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Looking good so far. Let's hope it takes off.

[–] anthonylancer 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Make a big ass donate button that allows dogecoin litecoin and bitcoin. reddit is dead since the news reddits are modded by shills. no joke the propaganda on reddit is strong.

[–] r0fl 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

I don't have any programming experience really, but want to voice my support and wish you the best of luck. There are far more of us out here yearning for a more free user experience and have slowly watched the decay and decline of reddit - and how nice it once was. Feel free to PM me if you want if you want to bounce ideas off of. I would love to help.

[–] jlchimera 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Hello! I too have fled Reddit because of the recent change.

Were you aware of the RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite) which -- I'm pretty sure -- was developed by non-admin redditors. I had installed the RES and really liked it...

AND the new change took away one of the best aspects of having it.

The upshot here is that there exist over on the r/Enhancement subreddit a community of software people who are probably pretty pissed at Reddit right now. So if you're overwhelmed...?

So far as I can tell they built the enhancement totally for free and it adds a lot of cool features.

Just an idea.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

Thank you! When I first started whoaverse about 6 months ago, I showed it to some people on reddit and got a pretty evil reaction. I was ridiculed, called an idiot and whatnot and I guess rightly so - who in their right mind would make a reddit clone/alternative? I don't feel like logging in to reddit right now and talking about whoaverse. If you personally know someone that would want to get involved, I will gladly talk to them, but I don't feel like spamming reddit with whoaverse links regardless of how bad the situation there is. In fact, soon it will be time for me to completely leave reddit behind and move forward, developing and inventing new features which do not exist on reddit etc. RES will surely be a great inspiration and I will gladly check it out (I heard good things about it before) and see how it can be built into whoaverse.

[–] NiceTryNSA 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Only a single comment so far, but solid advice; link

[–] stealth210 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Atko, you seem to have a lot of talent here ready and able. I'm a developer myself and would be able to contribute a few hours if you need (15 yrs IT. 10 yrs TSQL/C#/other) . My main point of this post was to say thanks and good luck in your venture. You have a lot of people interested. I think you may be to reddit what myspace was to facebook. Good luck!!

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Thanks! Please stop by whoavere GitHub repository and take a look at some open issues you guys might want to help with if you get the chance. I'm happy to get any help I can :)

[–] Falzar 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

In regards to the vote system modifications, I started a thread about it in /v/whoaversedev.

[–] brightfuture 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

In the immediate future I suggest adding a small "donate" button and establishing a paypal account as well as bitcoin and dogecoin wallets.

[–] ydoom 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

My advice is: don't do anything in a hurry. I've seen this kind of situation before in Poland - when something caused outrage of the users of most popular aggregator site, many moved to other sites. But that's a temporary influx, most of those "refugees" will return to the old site.

You'll have a larger user base now, but at this moment it's just a "spike" that will go down.

[–] stealth210 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Hah, what a good problem to have!

This is my first comment. Coming from reddit. (?|?)

[–] IdioticUsername 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I saw OP post in a few comments on how they would like to go forth with possibly incorporating and cleaning up the code. If more redditors come here I'm positive OP will be offered help from business, legal, and programming professionals. Keep your eyes peeled /u/Atko you'll get the help you need.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Hi! I already received several emails from business, legal and PR and IT professionals. People are even offering money donations! It's crazy! This side project of mine may actually turn into something :)

[–] docidu 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

You can thank the reddit admins. They decided that advertising revenue was more important than users, will you make better choices?

[–] adhdferret 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

They know they used reddit up. The page visits are declining and people are talking about an alternative. Its just a way to do bussiness. As the other user said will you make better choices? I hope you do i see this being great.

So far you have a core user base and we will help you any way we can. It may not be much but I can pay pal you some money. I was just going to buy lego with it, but I have a feeling you will make better use of it.

And I myself will continue to contribute what i can money wise as well as content. It isnt often I get behind anything. I pick and choose things I support. And your idea is something I would like to say someday I helped with that in the way that I could.

When reddit said pfff we are not going to be over thrown. Fuck that only you can say what your limits are. Dont have them. Its what I did. People said pfff he's to weak he will never make it into the military. Proved them wrong 7 years aboard submarines.

They said pfff you can break 30,000 a year below 35 as a highschool dropout only having a ged. Pfff I cleared 70,000 last year.

Said legos too expensive you wont be able to afford it. Less the 4000 dollars later since oct I have 360 sets. And most the rare other bits.

Piss on limitations be you.

Always strive to make your good better and your better the best.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

7 years aboard submarines? You are a great inspiration! Thank you for these kind words!

[–] adhdferret 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Yeah 7 years was a great time. And shouldn't be inspirational. I never did anything worthy of that designation.

All I did was what I needed to do. Look at how many people are offering to help you with this. You are the inspirational one here.

We all want to be a part of something good. We been dealing with reddit atrocities for far too long and frankly we are sick of it. I know if I could I would spend every free minute coding for you rather then buy gold or read one more goddamn front page pun comment circle jerk.

Upvote are no longer what they used to mean. And downvotes are handed out cause oh I dont like this person. The admin of reddit seems to wanna steer the public in thinking its all positive. World is a nice place with baby skunks and cats thst chase lasers.

No it isnt. These college kids dont know the world is full of date rape and soul crushing dreams. A while back some 20 something kid was asking about advise on what GODDAMN coffee joint he should visit. These people were actually weighing in about the decor and how the table color wasnt functional with the color of the floor.

I mean really? This is what is important to you people. That you wanna dissect everything you see in this world till you can be negative about it in some way? That is just one for instance. There are so many more.

Like how conspiatard always fucks with conspiracy. I seriously think there is a deal between mods there. But the bond is there to cause turmoil. Its a popularity contest on reddit. Used to not me. Two years ago reddit was awsome. No real drama. Just ranting and soap box preaching. Ten after boston bombing reddit got real big real fast. Mainly cause most of us were listening to shit on the radio and updating the post.

News station were following the thread and reporting. That was a cool feeling to see thst CNN was watching a thread I myself was commenting on. Then sandy hook happened. And some reason you even mention it to mods you get banned.

They are so fast to quash anything related to that topic it is really puzzling. When this name got shadow banned I skip traced the shit outta cupcake1713. I didnt do it for malicious reasons. I did it cause the user didnt seem real to me. Not even an answer once I called her out for specifically targeting another user that she only took out the post cause he was seriously on to something.

Problem is that most the time you hit a walk and you need help. Now others try to make a blog with info and if a admin sees that shit with names. Boom take the post down ad ban the user

There is no free speech. Plus reddit says it dont make money FUCKING lie. If they didnt how the fuck would they be able to travel thw world for these meet ups. Or buy a new server every 3 weeks.

Or pay their workers a decent salary enough to stay. I am friends with one of the admin. And he isnt poor by any means. But he wont talk about reddit much. Amways changes the subject.

That fine whatever but I question everything. Never settle I belive.

But really we all want to help you to make this what we remember from the past.You have got it pretty far on your own. But at some point you will have to trust it in the hands of others as well.

You will have to pick a board or group of users for admin purposes. And you will be getting a huge influx soon as more and more of us talk about it.

[–] isacknewton 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I think 'knee-jerk-reaction' is a bit over the top. Many didn't like it and voiced their opinions, others went to see if there was any other sites that may take some of the place of reddit. Nothing wrong with that and to be fully expected I would have thought.

[–] Xanthrax 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Not too sure where else to put this, so I may as well put it here. I have a couple of questions regarding features on whoaverse:

-Is the PM function working? I can't seem to be able to PM anyone.

-Does the message the moderators function work?

Thanks in advance and for making this site!

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Hi, please take a look at this post.

[–] alllie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

I'm having trouble voting this monring. None of my upvotes seem to take. :(

[–] Anchy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

i think that you need to refresh the page to see the upvotes take place, i may be wrong though.

[–] CIV_Quickcash 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Whoverse gold? And donations always works pretty well for these things. Also Google adsense is very easy way to allow advertising on your site and start making money.

[–] keto4life 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago

Can you see who downvoted this twice and give them life-bans?

[–] Falzar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Put out a Crowdtilt campaign for the new users. Ask them to contribute funding toward a new dedicated server.

[–] Empire_of_the_mind 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago

You have plenty to think about but I suggest keeping An eye on new registrants at this stage. Marketing firms and the NSA register multitudes of accounts on public forums in order to gain influence and steer discussion.

That is only practical, however, if a site becomes truly massive. If you check traffic on Reddit historically you'll find the userbase size was at a sweetspot in the two years prior to the Digg4 exodus. Increases beyond that did not benefit the site in terms of discussion or content and in fact it attracted the leech users mentioned above and that is ultimately the real root cause problem.

Design and feature decisions that discourage a popularity contest or a single mass audience 'front page' are highly recommended. A parallel set of a thousand verses will be the way to go. Your reddit-derived audience will largely be the people who saw reddit decline for years and recognized that its remaining utility was in the specific side-forums. Any that becomes big enough invariably declines. The reason is that the users want to be a part of a 'movement' and enjoy the perception of influence (ie getting hyped about making the news for a gift exchange and other stuff like that.) people who want o be a part of a famous 'community' are not desirable or benefical users. Find ways to discourage that behavior and you'll see growth tick up slowly and comfortably.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

Thank you, this seems like sound advice. I will do my best.

[–] FlavorD 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago

I would like to offer our services as your merchandise provider. We have access to truly rock bottom pricing on shirts, posters, etc., and have experience in shipping them rapidly and inexpensively. I can't find how to send you a private message, so I'll put my sort-of spam email here: FlavorD@gmail.com. Please contact me to move forward on this.

Dave

[–] sean 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago

Serious question. Why can't I see downvote scores on this website?

[–] lordkabal26 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

You can, there just aren't that many downvotes going around.

[–] stealth210 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

Just like the early days of the r-word site.

[–] Unicorn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago

What are you talking about? It is right there!

[–] SuperC142 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago

I know this comment doesn't contribute much, but in the name of encouragement, I just wanted to register my thanks. Once you're able to accept donations, I'll be happy to contribute some funds.

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago

Thank you! :)

[–] quip 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago

Man, whoaverse has really sold out. I miss the way this place used to be, back in the old days.

[–] AssuredlyAThrowAway 7 points -2 points (+5|-7) ago

Hi,

Really like what you're up to here. Would love to help with what I can. Let me know :).

[–] Atko [S, M] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago

Awesome! Can you write a press release or help get some articles about whoaverse get published? Please drop an email to team@whoaverse.com with ideas and info on how to get started.

[–] jd 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

When you feel ready, make a thread on Hacker News. It's the public discussion area of the most prestigious startup incubator in the US, and it just so happens to be how reddit got started.

[–] adhdferret 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago

Ha knew I would see you here.

[–] AssuredlyAThrowAway 7 points -1 points (+6|-7) ago

Been looking for a good alternative for a while. Not a big fan of Antique Jetpacks :)

[–] adhdferret 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago

I wonder if you remember me. I was a person that got the heavy hand of an admin shadow ban. Was about 4 months ago. When the while sandy hook thing was happening and that guy posted all that info. Then admin came in and shut it down

I was the one demanding an apology from cupcake1713 lol I didnt get it in case you were wondering.

[–] AssuredlyAThrowAway 7 points -4 points (+3|-7) ago

Your SN is familiar due to the ferret (and because I used to use a torrent site called feedthe.net, and for some reason the first part of your name reminded me of it); yea Alex is intense. Theories abound that she plays a bigger role in Alexis' shenanigans than previously thought.

Sorry to hear about the shadowban though.

[–] adhdferret 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago

Meh I called her out. I am good friends with david aka dacvak. He and I trade lego. He explained the whole thing to me and even offered to unban me but I didnt wanna start a shit fight.

Just made a new name and said fuck it.